Saturday Genealogy Fun – Birth Day Edition

Finally getting caught up on some “old” Saturday Night Genealogy Fun Posts!  Thank you Genea-Musings for the great ideas!!   My answers are in RED below!

My tree has 20,078 people.

Saturday Night Genealogy Fun — Who in Your Database Has Your Birth Day?

Hey genea-folks, it’s Saturday Night again,  time for more Genealogy Fun!
Your mission this week, should you decide to accept it, is to:

1) Are there persons in your genealogy database that has the same exact birth date that you do?  If so, tell us about him or her – what do you know, and how is s/he related to you?  No one has my exact birth date (Nov. 11, 19xx)

2)  Are there persons in your database that are your ancestors that share your birth day (but not the year)?   How many, and who are they?  I have one direct ancestor with the same birth date – my great-great-grandfather Adam Alexander Fetherkile.  He was born Nov. 11, 1852 and died Dec. 22, 1937.

3)  Are there other persons in your database that share your birth day (but not the year)?  How many, and who are they?  Including myself and Grandpa, there are 37 people with the birth date Nov. 11.  26 are relatives by blood and 10 are “unrelated”. For the sake of privacy, names of the living are not included.


4)  For bonus points, how did you determine this?  What feature or process did you use in your software to work this problem out?  I think the Calendar feature probably does it, but perhaps you have a trick to make this work outside of the Calendar function.  I use Family Tree Maker 2014.1  

Here are the steps:  open tree; click Publish; click Person Reports; click List of Individuals Report; click Create Report;  when the next screen shows up, click sort by month/date (which automatically defaults to birthdate) and be sure that “all individuals”;  click generate report again;  scroll to the desired date.


Comparing DNA Results

Her National Geographic DNA results are finally in!

She is 1.5% Neanderthal.  This was one of the aspects we were most curious about.  He is also 1.5% so we are a happy “slightly more Neanderthal than average” household.


Below is a chart showing how the DNA results look when compared to each other.  We submitted our saliva samples to and National Geographic.  We also submitted our data to (they use the data to determine your information based on their logarithm)

The only constant is that I am of 100% European descent.  This is supported by family history data collected and visual appearance.  No surprise here!  The graphic below shows the Ambiguous category as greenish.

If you consider where they are making the distinction between categories, I have similar results across the board.  I am mostly Northern European with a smattering of Southern European thrown in.

My maternal grandfather was supposedly of Polish descent so I should be about 25% Eastern European.  The DNA results all have at least 25% for the category which would include this area of Europe.  My paternal grandmother’s parents were from Sweden and Norway.  I should have about 25% Scandinavia.  Again, depending on how you divide the categories, I have about this percent for these.

The only surprise is the Jewish and Ambiguous categories.  Ambiguous I get – they can’t narrow it down based on the data they use.  Makes sense.  Jewish ranges from 0% with to 1.3% using to 5% using National Geographic.  Overall, not much input.  Since we know so little about my maternal grandfather, we assumed this category would be higher – we figured he was hiding something.  He claimed to be of Polish descent so we thought it might be that he was Jewish.  Nope, just a philanderer.



Saturday Night Genealogy Fun – A Family’s Increase

Idea courtesy of Genea-Musings:

Saturday Night Genealogy Fun — A Family’s Increase

Hey genea-folks, it’s Saturday Night again, time for more Genealogy Fun!

Your mission this week, should you decide to accept it, is to:

1) Pick one of your sets of great-grandparents – if possible, the one with the most descendants.

2) Create a descendants list for those great-grandparents either by hand or in your software program.

3) Tell us how many descendants, living or dead, are in each generation from those great-grandparents.

4) How many are still living? Of those, how many have you met and exchanged family information with? Are there any that you should make contact with ASAP? Please don’t use last names of living people for this – respect their privacy.

5) Write about it in your own blog post, in comments to this post, or in comments or a Note on Facebook.

1) So I tweaked it a little and did all my great-grandparents and hubby’s maternal great-grandparents and his paternal grandparents:

Harry Fetherkile (1884-1980) and Lottie Smith (1887-1926)
William Gott (1880-1944) and Mary Squires (1891-1974) – I only included the issue from this relationship, not their other marriages and children.
August Peterson (1868-1950) and Anna Simonson (1880-1963)
John Vernak ?? and Mary ?? Not sure about these names – multiple posts issues!

Christian Petersen (1874-1953) and Jennie Mattson (1878-1925)
Alfred Farley (1874-1962) and Lurena Hill (1881-1965)
Marko Matulic (1890-1979) and Marga Gospodnetic (1896-1974)

2) I made a Descendants List report in Family Tree 2014.1.  Then I counted for each generation.  I made a spreadsheet using Google Sheets to keep track of the info.

3) Their descendants, that I am aware of, by generation:

4) So the increase is at least 14 persons and up to 61 for each line, and probably more.  There are some who may have reproduced since the last family update.  There are branches, because of location and drama, that are incomplete.

Of the 120ish descendants for my side, 94 are still alive!!  I have met/known 95 of the descendants from my great-grandparents.  Most of those I have not met live in another area of the country and are of a later generation.  My Vernak line is also questionable – I’ll leave the details to a future post!

On hubby’s side, there are about 126 descendants with 109 still alive.  He has met/known 77 of his great-grandparents/grandparents descendants.  His paternal grandparents were immigrants and we, at this time, don’t know how many siblings they had, how many descendants are still living in Croatia.  We know of one small incomplete branch but that is it.

Interesting exercise – I realize I need to reach out to living relatives.


His Y DNA Haplogroups – explained

If we follow His genetic mutations (changes to his Y-chromosome), His male ancestors are part of the I haplogroup.  A haplogroup is a specific set of mutations documented in a line believed to have originated in one specific ancestor.

John Y tree

His haplogroup history is very interesting to us.  Some are very expected and typical. Others are so expected to be unexpected.

P305 (A haplogroup) – This marker is believed to be an ancestor for 99.9% of all males currently living.  This mutation is believed to have occurred about 100,000 years ago.  Very few tribal males in Africa do not have this marker.  It supports the theory that Homo sapiens branch began in Africa and migrated to other places after this mutation. (1)

M42 (BT haplogroup) – This mutation is believed to have occurred about 80,000 years ago.  This marker is found everywhere in the world, leading scientists to believe this male ancestor’s descendants lead the way in leaving Africa. (2)

M168 (CT haplogroup) – This marker is found in all males living outside of Africa.  This mutation is believed to have occurred about 70,000 years ago in East Africa.  This branch of the Homo sapiens tree left Africa for the Middle East/Fertile Crescent region of the world.  Why did they leave Africa?  Million dollar question!  Most likely to follow the food. (3)

P143 (CF haplogroup) – The CT haplogroup quickly formed the CF and DE haplogroups.  CF branched about 70,000 years ago for form the C and F haplogroups.  (3, 4)

M89 (F haplogroup) – This marker is extremely common (about 90%) in non-African populations, especially south and southeastern Asia.  It is believed to have originated outside of Africa about 55,000 years ago.  Here is a picture of its distribution. (3, 5)


M578 (HIJK haplogroup) – This mutation is believed to have occurred about 50,000 years ago.  It is believed to be a branch off of the F haplogroup and is found in south and southwestern Asia. (6)

M429 (IJ haplogroup) – This mutation is also believed to have occurred in the southwestern Asia area and Middle East about 44,000 years ago.  This haplogroup gives rise to the I haplogroup – the haplogroup found in Europe.  (7)

M170 (I haplogroup) – The branch of the tree moved into Europe, probably as an ice age was ending and migration into that region was possible.  This marker is believed to have occurred about 20,000 years ago in Europe or near the boundary with Asia.  This is after the extinction of the Neanderthals so these ancestors must have interacted with them before this mutation occurred.  This is a very common European haplogroup with high concentrations in northern Europe and southwest Europe.  The I haplogroup (as blue and purple in the image) are found in different concentrations, leading scientists to believe there were waves of migration into Europe. (8)

His male ancestors were from the island of Brac in Croatia.  An article by Barac et al discusses the Y chromosome inheritance on this specific island.  This area of the world has the highest frequency (49%) reported in Europe.  His Y chromosome markers from 20,000 years ago support this!   This area has been inhabited since the middle Palaeolithic time period (100,000 – 40,000 years ago), overlapping with Neanderthals. (9)


M438 (I2 haplogroup) – The highest frequency of this marker is found in Bosnia and Herzegovina (located close to the island of Brac)  It is believed to have originated about 15,000 years ago. (10)


M423 (I2a1b haplogroup) – This marker is found in southeastern Europe and western Asia.  It is commonly found in Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Serbia.  It is found in the rest of Europe less than 1%.

M423 heat map

L621 (I2a1b2 haplogroup) – This is a south Slavic marker found in the highest frequency in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina.  (10, 11)

So I guess this means He is actually of Croatian descent and His ancestors lived in this area for MANY years!


I was unable to link to the information found in The Genographic Project by National Geographic.  Much of the information came from there.

(9) Barac, Lovorka et al. (2003)  Y Chromosome heritage of Croatian population and its island isolates.  European Journal of Human Genetics.  11, 535-542


His Y-DNA: Out of Africa

We had our DNA analyzed by The Genographic Project through National Geographic.  This is the first post about His results.

Here is some information from The Genographic Project web site:  (Bold is our addition.)

“Since its launch in 2005, National Geographic’s Genographic Project has used advanced DNA analysis and worked with indigenous communities to help answer fundamental questions about where humans originated and how we came to populate the Earth. Now, cutting-edge technology is enabling us to shine a powerful new light on our collective past. By participating in the latest phase of this real-time scientific project, you can learn more about yourself than you ever thought possible.
Your results give you an unprecedented view of your lineage. You will discover the migration paths your ancient ancestors followed hundreds and even thousands of years ago.
Included in the 300,000 markers we test for is a subset that scientists have recently determined to be from our hominin cousins, the Neanderthals, who split from our lineage around 500,000 years ago.
As modern humans were first migrating out of Africa more than 60,000 years ago, Neanderthals were still alive and well in Europe and Asia. It seems that our ancestors met, leaving a small genetic trace of these ancient relatives in our DNA. With Geno 2.0 Next Generation, you will learn if you have any Neanderthal DNA in your genome.

This post (His DNA Test Results) gives a brief look at His DNA.  We found that he has Neanderthal genes (about 1.5%) and is 55% Eastern European.

His basic ancestral migration pattern based on his various Y chromosome haplogroups is:  (years ago approximate)
– P305  central Africa 80,000+ ya
– M168  northeastern Africa c 70,000 ya
– P143  Middle East/Fertile Crescent region c 60,000 ya
– M429  eventually southeast Europe c 40,000 ya

This data shows that His male ancestors moved out of the African continent about 60,000 years ago and then moved into Europe about 40,000 years ago.  They interacted with the Neanderthals at some point after moving toward/into Europe.  (Neanderthals became extinct about 30,000 years ago.)

John Y tree


His DNA Test Results

Well John is 1.5% Neanderthal!!  He is more Neanderthal than the “average” person they sampled. I sure hope my results show less than that!


We took a DNA test through a few years ago.  This year we ordered the National Geographic DNA test.  They look at different things – Nat Geo isn’t looking to connect us with relatives.  It is a more global look at gene migration through the years.  Where did most of your tidbits come from is their focus.

The left picture is from  He is 99% European.  The right picture is from National Geographic.  It states he is 100% European.  The highlighted areas look similar.  The percentages are hard to compare since their focus is different.  If people have been migrating around the European continent for the last 100,000 years, it makes sense you might see variations here.

John’s “Deep” ancestry shows that his haplogroups are pretty uncommon in the samples that National Geographic has collected.  Curious to learn more about these results.



Marriage Record – John Hill and Eva Huff

This is one of the documents I needed to submit with my mother-in-law’s application to DAR (Daughters of the American Revolution).  John A. Hill and Eva Huff are His 2x-Great-Grandparents.

If you look closely at record #368, you will notice that John A. Hill’s name is Jno Huff in the second part of the document.  Now I know that Jno can mean John, but it usually means Jonathan.  (I mean, really, how hard would it be to write John vs Jno??)  His last name gets changed in the process as well – Hill becomes Huff.

Another inconsistency is in the name of the wife – Eva Huff becomes Eva Hough.

Thankfully, I have death certificates for both John and Eva.  They name each other as spouse.  Eva’s death certificate names her father as Townsend B. Huff.  I’m hopeful that DAR will accept this!  I can hear them now – but how do you know this Eva Hough is the same Eva Huff you are related to???

No wonder I had such a hard time finding this using search engines!!  Remember that alternate spellings have an interesting way of showing up – even in a single document.